Thursday, February 15, 2018

The New Fairlop Oak Hotel

We are alerted to a planning application from JD Wetherspoon to build a 4 storey, 47 room Hotel in the New Fairlop Oak “car park”, yes the car park.


The planning application reference is 4793/17 and you can find out all about it on the Redbridge Council Planning Portal here, click! You can also make representations at the same web location.

This is a short post because, frankly, I am lost for words …

23 comments:

  1. Tell me about it. I don't think this was thought through very well.

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  2. Where will the parking area be.Customers from the pub and now 47rooms.What on earth is going on in this borough?

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  3. Do they intend to knock down the pub? I can't see how that size of hotel could fit in the current car park. Maybe they'll turn the pub into a car park for the hotel? Total madness.

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    1. Follow the link in Alan's post and look at the plans or take this shortcut.

      It clearly shows that the existing pub is not going to be touched.

      A small car park - seven places including 2 for the disabled! - is included although whether it will be reserved for hotel residents only or not you'll probably have to wait and see.

      I would expect the loss of most of the car park - all of it whilst building is underway, of course - to have quite an effect on the pub's profitable food trade.

      I assume that delivery vehicles currently use the car park - they can hardly park outside the pub on the roundabout, can they? - so where are they going to stop to unload if this plan goes ahead?

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    2. Deliveries for the pub stopped on Fencepiece road just as you turn off the roundabout. That would remain the same I'd imagine

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  4. Can't believe it..What are the council playing at. I thought that we have plenty of hotel rooms.This borough is turning into a concrete jungle.

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  5. Pubs don't really need car parks any more because people (mostly) don't drink and drive. They put a block of flats on the car park of the pub next to the Odeon in South Woodford years ago. However, hotel guests.....

    The hotel next to my shop in St. Albans has a reserved area in the NCP car park about 100 yards away. Perhaps young Timothy is negotiating with LBR for a similar arrangement in the Craven Gardens car park? Or perhaps he should be? Or possibly the car park will be underground like the flats across the road.

    I don't really have an issue with a hotel apart from the need for parking spaces. It would certainly be good news for the restaurants in the High Street and at least it won't add to the problems with school places and doctors' lists which would result from a block of flats.

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    1. Who do you think will be making use of this hotel? Don't believe we have a tourist trade in Redbridge. There are no ports/airports/transport links nearby that are associated with hotel accommodation requirement. We are also not a hub for businesses so no need there. Really interested to know who you feel will be making use of the hotel.

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    2. Barkingside has a large Asian community and when there is a wedding or other family event, people come from all over the world, far more than can be accommodated in the family's home. That explains why there is a Premier Inn in Barking which, if I may say, is certainly not more of a tourist attraction than Barkingside.

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  6. How very interesting ...

    I had the proposed site plan still open in my browser and went to close the tab just now.

    As my cursor moved over the top of the plan, a black drop down block appeared which seems to contain the address of the file on the council's computer. It reads thus:

    S:\Job Files - Residential Schemes\00 ADVISED NOT PROCEEDING\Fairlop, Barkingside, Ilford, The Fairlop Oak, 4... 1/1

    The capitals, by the way, are in the original - I haven't added them for emphasis!

    So, could this perhaps just be a storm in a beer mug ...?

    I haven't checked any of the other files yet to see if the same thing happens.

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  7. I was unaware that Barkingside was a tourist destination that needs a hotel. Will this "Hotel" be a stop gap for social housing? People need homes to live in, a hotel room isn't a home.

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  8. Really..?.. Well I guess anyone staying there will have to park in the council car park across the other side of the roundabout... ooh lovely more money for LBR

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  9. What about parking for owls and people who actually want to visit the lake and the trails around the lake?

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    1. You can catch the 462 bus from the new hotel to Fairlop Waters.

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  10. Pmsl,
    1. There is a car park... Craven Gardens, with plenty of space.
    2. You don't need to be a tourist destination to have a hotel
    3. The council have to make money from somewhere, the services are not free plus they get less money from central government
    5. Plans look good to me, don't fear change....

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  11. NeighbourhoodWatcher11:12 pm, February 20, 2018

    Hotels are often built close to LU Stations as business-people can then park the car somewhere relatively safe then 'commute' to a meeting by train. The Hilton Express near Newbury Park is full of people driving from a long way outside London then 'parking-and-riding' into Central London.

    Fairlop Station is a relatively short walk from the north end of Barkingside High Street.

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  12. Although Barkingside itself is not a tourist destination it is only half an hour from Central London by train so tourists can stay and go into London. This would be cheaper for them than staying in a hotel in Central London.

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  13. My comment is that the application is misleading as the elevations shown do not show the view in relation to buildings on either side.
    If the Hotel is not viable there remains the possibility that it could be converted into flats.

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  14. There is also a planning application in for the site next door at 2 Fullwell Avenue (0525/18). This is to demolish the existing end-terrace house and to build six three-storey flats on the site.

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  15. We don't need hotels but more schools. I wish this plan gets dropped.

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  16. Car parking is a big issue in Barkingside especially when people visit the GP surgery, the council should retain the car park and allocate to visitors to GP for free.

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