Monday, July 02, 2012

Every LIDL Helps?

The post below was originally published on 9th December 2011. The planning application for a new Lidl supermarket on the “Volvo” site in Fencepiece Road has now been submitted to Redbridge Council. The application number is 1091/12. You can find the papers on the Planning Portal of the council’s website Redbridge-i, either from the search page, by typing in the reference number, or here. Sometimes a direct link times out so you might have to use the search.

There are already a few Representations, mostly against, citing the usual criteria of noise, dust and traffic, but there is also one in favour. If you wish to make your view known to Redbridge Council there is a facility to do this from the links above.

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This is a cross post from Redbridge Eye written by Morris Hickey.
The Site in Fencepiece Road
The Lidl supermarket chain is currently consulting fairly widely over a proposal to turn the long disused former Volvo showrooms at 250 Fencepiece Road into a store.

Lidl proposes "replacement of ageing premises with a modern energy efficient building, which will incorporate a Ground Source Heat Pump renewable energy system capable of reducing the building's carbon footprint by 20%."

The development will create up to 30 jobs for local people, as well as regenerating a long-standing vacant site that will be subjected to thorough decontamination.

They also say that deliveries to the site will be limited to a maximum 2 HGVs a day during daytime using a purpose built loading ramp, and that there will be on-site parking for 57 cars to avoid parking in nearby residential streets.

Fine - all very friendly. But the car parking provision says quite clearly that they anticipate significant numbers of car-borne customers adding to the already existing severe traffic congestion on Fencepiece Road. The proposed development might also sound the death knell for the already difficult trading conditions in the nearby shopping parades - and those currently working there could lose their jobs.

Editor: But to whatever use the site is put, it will generate extra traffic. Housing, a Polyclinic, a Library, a Swimming Pool, a community centre, a Police Station …

Discuss.

UPDATE: This planning application was granted approval at the Council's Regulatory Committee on 30th January 2013.

UPDATE: it is now open as of last week, about 12th December 2013.

62 comments:

  1. I use Fencepiece Rd several times each week, except at rush hours, and have never experienced severe congestion. I believe there are to be 57 car park spaces, which is not a huge amount.

    The store is on a bus route, which would presumably help people on Limes Farm to access it, and there are several blocks of flats within walking distance, as well as the Tudor estate. If my shopping experiences at the Co-Op store opposite (and in Barkingside High St) are anything to go by, Lidl should be a vast improvement!

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    1. i agree the store would be great we need a supermarket in hainault bring it on as soon as possible

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  2. "....except at rush hours,...".

    Says it all.

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  3. Precisely, Morris.
    In the rush hour people are going to work or taking their kids to school - they are NOT going shopping. Nobody in their right mind goes shopping in the rush hour ...
    And if they go to Lidl are they reducing congestion elsewhere?

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    1. bring it on as soon as possible we need it

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  4. It's clear that neither of you uses Fencepiece Road on a regular basis.

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  5. Morris,
    Halley's comet is REGULAR, once every 75 years.
    When I use Fencepiece Rd it is generally clear, so I'll check out Lidl's Real Ale offering if they get the nod.

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  6. I use Fencepiece Road most days at about 8.30 in the morning and 6 in the evening, which I would describe as rush hour. I have never met with heavy congestion except occasionally at the Bald Hind end in the morning, usually because of one inconsiderately parked van.

    I would prefer a community project on the site such as a medical centre, but we aren't going to get one are we? What we have is a choice between a retailer like Lidl or yet another block of flats just like all the others that have carpeted every bit of available space in the Borough. If you want traffic problems,try building flats and allowing 1.25 spaces per unit.

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  7. Lidl in Barkingside? Bring it on! And as quickly as possible. I use Fencepiece road very frequently because I live only a few score yards away (not metres,I hasten to say) and like the majority of contibutors to this blog, I have never found much congestion there. In fact I'd say it is probably one of the least congested roads in the entire district, even during the times when one might expect a certain amount of snarling up.

    As our esteemed editor has said, whatever eventually goes on the site will always create traffic - this is the 21st century after all.

    My main argument in favour of the establishment of Lidl is that it will wipe the avaricious grins off the faces of the Tesco and Sainsbury's managements, while at the same time it must surely create employment in the area (not lose it, Morris!)

    Lidl normally has fair - and much lower - prices for everything (or the the equivalent of everything)that these these two robber barons
    sell and they do not appear to operate the iniquitous policy of daily regular price increases, while at the same time proclaiming how low their prices are.

    The Lidl store will be built on a site that has been virtually derelict for years, it would make a huge difference to local household budgets,and any traffic congestion, and I will freely admit that with only fifty-seven parking spaces, there could be some , should only be only minimal.

    I have written to Lidl to support the project and I hope many more readers of this blog will do the same.

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  8. I live in 2 mins from this proposed site and do my journey along that part at least6 times a day(school run)....there is very little congestion. Also fed up with existing stores advertising there 'Good Deals' to find there not so good...so bring on some competition! As a mum of 3 I would welcome a lower weekly shopping bill! That site looks a bloody mess and has done for years now!! So I say bring it on :)!

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  9. I still hope that this lidl does go ahead as we need a nice cheap supermarket around this area and put coop to the test and as for congestion do not make me laugh what CONGESTION

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    1. I'm not sure if the Planning Application has been submitted yet, but I understand Lidl have received majority positive support from the community.

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    2. I really wish that it was going to be an M&S, is anyone else in favour of this?

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    3. M&S Foods in the High Street would be excellent.

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  10. Hainault Commuter10:37 pm, April 29, 2012

    I have had a good rummage on the Redbridge online planning applications and can't find an application for the Lidl. Found an application for a flooring store on the site, dated June 2011 which failed/was withdrawn.

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  11. What's the difference between a cross post from Morris and all the others?

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    1. "It is never difficult to tell the difference between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine" - P G Wodehouse

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    2. Oh, dear - has that silly little councillor living nearby popped up again?

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  12. Hainault Commuter11:08 pm, June 24, 2012

    Planning application for the Fencepiece Road Lidl is now on the Redbridge website, number 1091/12 , listed in weekly list ending June 24th.

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    1. Thanks, I'll check it out when Redbridge-i is back on line.

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  13. must say well done to bside 21 as you put up more info than our local recorder newspaper.............and also dont mind or stop people leaving comments........thank you.

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  14. My husband and I went to the open day that the Lidl people had at the library. We're both like Lidl and are quite excited at the prospect of having one much closer than Ilford or Romford. As Judith said, it should be a vast improvement over the shopping at Co-op!

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  15. lets have it as quick as possible!!!

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    1. Development was inevitable eventually and the Lidl proposal will bring no more congestion than anything else. The present disused site is an eye sore and an more environmentally friendly building an improvement. I too welcome the cheaper prices of Lidl and a local store will cut down on my travelling to Ilford, or Newbury Park etc. As has been said bring it on Lidl.

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  16. A Lidl store is much needed bring it on sooner the better I say.

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  17. Quite some interest in this on the Council website. So far 19 in support and 22 objectors, well 21 if you discount the bloke who has submitted the same objection from two different addresses.

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  18. i have a new suggestion for the site - to be a child friendly site with a playground and environmental area, sand pit area, a small petting farm, and indoor activity area, of course an area to sit under cover with tea/coffee facilities, provide food for children etc - an after school & school holiday club, a weekend club a day care centre - and i have many more ideas for such an area. - this sort of thing is desperatley needed for working parents during school holidays and terms times alike. this area is crying out for something like this for children. it needs to be able to accomodate all age children as well as be a diverse community facility. it would bring in more business for the local shops already in fencepiece road,. children could bring packed lunches, etc parents can pick up groceries from shops when dropping off/collecting children etc

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    1. Wonderful idea, except no one would do it as a commercial venture and the Council are currently struggling to provide those services it is legally obliged to do. They just don't have the funds.

      Besides that, such a proposal would bring the usual objections on parking, traffic and youths hanging about causing trouble.

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    2. I would support this - but with some reservations. The site is on a main road with the dangers that that can bring, as well as high pollution levels from exhaust fumes. But in principle the idea is a good one.

      Will Redbridge Council show the slightest interest? The site is not owned by them and they probably don't have the funds to purchase it.

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  19. I'm looking forward to the new Lidl. It will be nice to have somewhere new to shop in the area. Hurry up with the building work Lidl!!

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  20. Hainault is crying out for a supermarket like this. A Lidl Store is what the folk in this area want and need. So many benefits - firstly, by getting rid of an eyesore, namely a derelict building which, for people with very short memories, used to be a petrol station and car showroom, that often had queues of traffic outside, and delivery tankers pulling onto their forecourt, so the residence were very well acquainted with traffic and, strangely to say, were sad to see the petrol station go. Secondly employment, yes that very rare opportunity today for people to work locally and provide for their families and lastly, but very importantly, a store that sells food at a price that is right and not right up there in 'you need a mortgage to do a shop.'

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    1. In reply to the above post. I remember very clearly when there was a petrol station on the premises and there were accidents outside on what seemed like a weekly basis. Dealing with the accidents and clearing up afterwards was something at which the people in this area became extremely efficient and it is not a skill we wish to renew. Also the showroom was not open beyond 6pm and nighttime deliveries were not permitted as you would expect in a residential area.

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    2. I'm not sure that night time deliveries are not permitted in residential areas? I seem to recall a long standing issue with the gating off of Cleves Walk, meaning large delivery lorries having to take the back roads route to the rear of the Co-op at 4am in the morning, which I would consider night time.
      Resolved now by moving the blockage further up Cleves Walk so lorries access direct from the traffic lights. It took Cllr Mrs Ryan about 15 years to get that done ...

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    3. In theory they are not. But it is a main road site accessible only from Fencepiece Road. Night time deliveries to Sainsbury in George Lane, South Woodford (adjacent to a residential area) were firmly resisted on such grounds for many years, but I believe now take place.

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  21. There is a lot less congestion at that junction now than back in the 70's kelvin Hughes car park entrance and route in for large lorries used to be next to Barkinside Motors, now its just normal traffic,you could wait 5 min's to do a right turn into KH to park.



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  22. This planning application is on the agenda for the Regulatory Committee meeting on 30th January 2013.

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    1. And it came to pass. The application was approved by a majority vote with one against.

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  23. please please let there be a lidl in fencepiece road, it will be so much better than having to go to ilford or romford.

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    1. Almost anything's better than Ilford or Romford.

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    2. PLEASE LET THEM OPEN THIS STORE, IT WILL HELP ALL LIVES IN THIS AERA OR OTHERS. WE NEDD MORE STORES, TO STOP PEOPLE GO IN FAR A WAY.

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    3. Floo the Co-op5:19 pm, May 14, 2013

      There's a Co-op / Somerfield just down the road. Its possible drawback is lack of a dedicated car park but it remains to be seen if the proposed spaces for the Lidl will be adequate.

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  24. Wonderful. Another retailer. How many shops do you greedy people need! This area is swamped with Eastern Europeans so of course Lidl is mandatory. Here goes the standard of living.

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    1. Presumably written after a chicken biryani and two pints of Carlsberg?

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    2. Your living standards are tided into whether there's a lidl or not? Don't worry in addition to all that cheap vodka they sell to the Eastern Europeans they sell ski's and snorkelling equipment so both your middle class holidays are covered, there's something for everyone at lidl!!!

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    3. yes and i am one of those 'eastern europens' who at least have a work and pays all the taxes to pay for your pint in local pub (how is called one on the corner behind coop???)
      i got a bad feeling that yourself will be one of those benefit scammers who doing nothing else but complaining
      so shut a f*** up

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    4. I can't stop laughing.thanks for cheering up my day......

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  25. Or perhaps a steak & kidney pud and 2 pints of London Pride????

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  26. I am a bit concerned by the English language used in the Eastern European tirade. Most foreigners like their English to be grammatically correct. Not that one!
    Sacrebleu, as Morris would say!

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  27. I find it interesting that the majority of responses on this site have been in favour, however, I recall that, at a B21 Coffee Morning a few months ago, somebody made an embittered attack on the proposal.

    It shouldn't be allowed, he maintained, on the basis that it would endanger the businesses in Barkingside High Street.

    Unfortunately there was no time left to reply to this but here a few points:

    - The proposed Lidl store is in Hainault, not Barkingside;
    - If I lived within walking distance of Barkingside High Street I would not walk to Hainault to do my shopping!
    - If I lived within walking distance of the Lidl site at Hainault I would not walk to Barkingside to do my shopping!
    - Following the complainant's argument, no shops should ever have been allowed in Barkingside (or Gants Hill) because of the damage they obviously caused to the businesses in Ilford ...

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  28. We note this week’s licence application number 046371 for the Supply of alcohol & Opening hours Sunday to Monday 0700 hrs until 2300 hrs at Lidl Supermarket 250-260 Fencepiece Road, Ilford, IG6 2SU
    Opening imminent?

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    1. By the appearance of it thus far if opening is "imminent" then it's going to be an open air shop!

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    2. As one Cllr said at Regulatory "how long does it take to erect a metal shed?"

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  29. Very good ve gona get a nice supermarket we have nothing in this area

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  30. went there today at barkingside opening day, 12th december 2013 ,not the same as in ilford , they have a better selection in ilford for the christmas unless all the stock hasn't arrrived

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  31. Visited today about 2pm. Car park almost full, only about 4-5 places left.
    Not a great selection of Ales but they had Pedigree and Spitfire at 4 bottles for £5. Same as Tesco last week but Tesco today 4 for £6. They also had a craft ale which I will be trying shortly.
    I've no idea what the rest of the store was like, but they do not sell tobacco nor have they any customer toilets.

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    1. That's because it's not a convenience store.

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  32. I am surprised that they still haven't finished cladding the building two months after it opened, it must be leaking heat like a sieve leaks water.

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    1. also how the front view into the shop is sooooooo bright when you drive down from the hill direction all I think is what a waste of upper space the roof inside the seems so high does not look inviting at all.(have not been in yet don't really intend to.)

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    2. A real scar on the face of a residential area. Planning officers in Redbridge might as well not exist - assuming that they actually do.

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