Monday, November 23, 2009

Save King George Hospital Campaign

The proposals by the local Health Authority to downgrade King George Hospital and close its Accident & Emergency facility are once again being challenged by local residents, local groups and local Councillors and MPs.

On Wednesday 18th there was a public meeting organised by Lee Scott MP at which over 100 people were in attendance. It would have been more but for the Area Committee 3 meeting on the same evening. On a show of hands Cllr Mrs Sladden got a 100% vote that the proposals are unacceptable. She has also written to all the GPs in the borough and they are 86% against the proposals. Which rather upstages the claim by the Health Authority that they are in favour as reported in the Recorder. We are grateful to our member Bill Howe who took minutes of the meeting, see here.

CORRECTION from Cllr Mrs Sladden: "It was 86% of the doctors I wrote to replied and 95% of these were not in favour of A & E closure and polyclinics and 5 % who were in favour of closure and polyclinics were GP 's that had been appointed as Directors of Polysystems."

On Thursday 19th our councillors debated the situation at Full Council. There’s nothing like an external threat to unite political parties in their resolve to fight these proposals. See report in WW Guardian here.

On Saturday 21st there was a protest outside King George Hospital organised by Wilson [megaphone] Chowdhry [far right]. It made it to the BBC News site.

On the Council Leaders blog there is a comment, reproduced in full below [these things have a habit of disappearing off that site].

Anyone even considering the downgrading or closure of King George Hospital and the removal of accident and emergency services in Redbridge is courting disaster on a major scale. Queens Hospital will not be able to cope – they can’t even cope now. Why don’t NHS London & Redbridge understand that there are far too many residents in Ilford alone and the removal of any medical services from the borough will put people’s lives at risk? We have noticed (reading the Ilford Recorder over the past 12 months) that every time an accident is reported upon, the ambulance crew have taken everyone to Queens even if the accident occurred in Ilford. Why?? Because someone in the Trust wants to manipulate statistics to suit their own end game, so any reports will show that A&E at King George’s isn’t being used but A&E at Queens is brimming over.
We are supposed to live in a Democracy (although the way Labour and Gordon Brown behave, we are fast becoming a country under dictatorship) the people of Redbridge have already campaigned and demonstrated against the closure of King George’s and/or reduction of A&E services. What doesn’t the Trust understand? How many times do we have to do this before they get the message? It is no different from the fiasco that was the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty. The People vote No, but then they are made to vote again until the politicians get the answer they want. What a complete joke. If only Queens remains, then I hope the decision-makers have to use the “facilities” themselves – but I suspect they either live in a different borough, or use private healthcare. Should services at King George’s be reduced/removed in spite of all the opposition past & present, whoever is responsible for this will ultimately have our blood on their hands. I just hope they will be able to live with that on their consciences.

Of course if Redbridge council had used the government grant obtained to “improve” its website for something useful, like an e-petition facility we could all sign that. But since we haven’t got that you could leave your view in the comments below and/or drop an email to your MP and ward councillors to say you support their position. Links to contact details in the side bar.

40 comments:

  1. "This Council resolves to request the Chief Executive to write to the Chief Executives of NHS London and NHS Redbridge and the Secretary of State"

    So now we know who runs the council, and it is not our elected representatives, our hugely paid Chief Executive, should not need to be asked to do this, he should be doing it anyway, what we will get now is "I am talking to the pct"
    One highly paid Career Public Sector Officer to another highly paid Career Public Sector Officer, and they will come to some pathetic compromise to suit themselves, not the people of Redbridge, It is time our ELECTED representatives took control, not leaving such an important matter to paid servants of Council Tax payers.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Sorry, dopeyf, but in this instance your cynicism goes a step too far. Not only is the wording quite usual for a council Notice of Motion (request/require) but it is also perfectly normal for the appropriate senior officer to write on behalf of the council.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Therein lies the problem, outdated wording and outdated practises, if I was cynical I would say designed to confuse the electorate.But it begs the question who is running the council, as many people here have asked.

    The voters of today and tomorrow are not interested in being passive consumers; they want to be active participants in civic life

    The internet has given younger generations the opportunity to be creators, designers and publishers. People want more than a vote; they want a closer relationship with the state and local government, and a chance to get involved in decision making.

    And without doubt it will happen with the huge numbers of young people doing further education , they will no longer sit back as previous generations did,they will question everything the State and local government does.

    Communication technologies provide the tools to help rekindle the public’s engagement with politics, as shown by the way the Obama campaign led millions to view YouTube policy videos and organise themselves using social networking sites and the 7.5 million views of the redi forum,now sadly all that engagement thrown away, and for what? "Ask Your Neighbor"

    But this is just the beginning. We have barely scratched the surface in terms of the internet’s impact on British politics.

    Politicians in the UK are still in the broadcast mode that was cultivated during the age of television i.e. the channels of communication are one way from them to us. They use tools such as the internet for one-way communication, and this is a shame because the internet has so much more to offer.

    On numerous occasions I have suggested that senior officers do a written "teach-in" as how their departments work and what they do,
    even better of course would be local presentations, Area meetings come to mind,

    And one more plug for Council webcasting,although it needs to be overseen by a highly responsible officer/voter, to ensure it is a true reflection of the meeting.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Dopeyf is asking, again, who is running the council?
    I could use for Dopeyf an adjective used for me when I kept going on about relocation and other queries about the Allotment Strategy: repetitive.
    The fact is that some brave person could face Full Council and ask the question but I don't think the answer is simple.
    I know that the council is limited by Local Government rules and regulations and that these keep changing so perhaps the control is not really in the hands of either the Chief Executive or the Leader of the Cabinet. They both have power in different ways and there are also controls from other sources. Look at TFL, for instance.
    (And that is only the observations of a newbie old lady!)
    Loads of horses pulling us. (Apart?)
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  5. It is not just a question of keeping the A&E open, but of ensuring it operates to acceptable standards.

    "Shocking death toll at flagship hospital"

    October: NHS trust is rated 'good' in glowing report by watchdog
    Now: Catalogue of failings in care and hygiene is revealed

    death rate almost 40 per cent above the national average

    ReplyDelete
  6. Is it the season time for the 'truth' to come out?
    It's like a firework of shocking revelations. A kind of confession time, never seen before.
    We used to whisper almost guiltily that we were not told the truth. Now we know we were right.
    The question is will we be given that awful empty promise: we will learn from our mistakes?
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  7. "Truth will out"! It's a matter of time and usually real people that make the truth come out.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Aw weggy, and will that be achieved by privatisation???? The moralle of the staff require a lot of attention, the route cause is the upper management, i.e the Chief (executives), whom were drafted in for their "business" mind (sorry maurice, but it was brought in by the thatcher government).

    ReplyDelete
  9. Aw Bryan [anon by any other name], NuLab have had 12 years to put it right, and they've made it worse. See my latest post.

    ReplyDelete
  10. It may have been brought in by the Thatcher government; but if it was in principle such a bad idea as anonymous Bryan Dicker implies, then the Bliar/McBroon governments have had almost 13 years to change it. They have not done so.

    On 30 April 1997 somebody launched the jingoistic slogan "24 hours to save the NHS". We are now 110,337 hours beyond that date and the NHS in Redbridge is in FAR greater danger than it was in 1997!

    ReplyDelete
  11. Aw Weggy, Bryan??? anyway, worse?? It is merely continuing the trend of the thatcher years. Your "close" friend's party ethos has not changed either - just reworded.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Well, weggy has an advantage on this blog than on Red i, however, him and his "close" friend are not quite right. So b21, what happened to confidentiality? I wonder what Bryan Dicker would say about you mentioning him on here - again.

    As for the Blair/Brown administration, New Labour may as well be branded New Conservatives, and the present Conservatives New Old Conservatives. And yes, thatcher's idea is a bad one. What does a Supermarket Manager (as an earlier CE of Redbridge NHS was) know about healthcare? He proved this on London Tonight programme some years ago, and subsequently, one who allowed the C Diff Bug to be rife at KGH. Get rid of the CE, and put someone who knows the job, but has common sense. Tough job requirements to meet, but should be easy enough to fill.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Yes, "Weggi" Weggis does have an advantage on this blog ;)

    However, if anonymous contributors wish to remain anonymous they should not embed their "signature tune" in their comments.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I agree with the last anonymous comment. I know that Bryan Dicker is proud of his opinions and would not want to be shy. So, to attribute opinions to him, when the comments have not been signed might be depriving somebody from knowing they contributed eventhough they are too shy to provide us with their identity or pen name even. There are lots of Labour supporters who mention Lady Thatcher at the drop of a hat. So, B21 did you jump to conclusions?
    On the other hand, B21 might know better.
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  15. Yes, but nobody does it quite like......

    ReplyDelete
  16. Plenty of characteristic clues - spelling, grammar, failure to use capitals where appropriate, incorrect spelling of a name. Either very clearly a particular individual, or else excellent imitation.

    ReplyDelete
  17. either that maurice, or Bryan Dicker rattles your cage that much, you might think about him all the time. So weggy, you have decided to use your alter ego to post a reply to me, thats your signature tune (as is the speedy protection from your "close" friend). As for Anne's comment, I am not a Labour Supporter, and certainly not a Conservative supporter - Like many, have lost faith in many politicians. Oh Maurice when you develop your grammer and spelling skills, it might give you scope to be a critic, however, as one recent letter to the Ilford Recorder suggest, you like the sound of your own voice... Keep up the contradictions though.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Weggy, Your post says about filthy hospital in Newham. Thats Private contractors for you!!

    ReplyDelete
  19. Since when have the Public Sector been able to manage Private Contracts effectively?

    ReplyDelete
  20. They cant. The hospitals put out to tender, and the CE hires the group that gives "value" service. A lot of the contactors have no pride in their work. Of course, the CE can retender the contract, but when that contract has expired. Viscious circle that can be broken by the trust employing their own cleaners, caterers and laundry staff. It will be more cost effective and people can be employed with the knowledge of the Charge nurse/sister, and not rely on outside contractors employing willy Nilly. Oh and the private wards in NHS hospitals do not provide guarantee of solid income either, as they can go bust as well. Still thats capitalism for you, and thatcher's ethos "Sod you Jack as long as I'm alright".

    ReplyDelete
  21. Clearly an “Anon” with a myopic vested interest who does not appreciate nor understand the role that market economics plays for the benefit of society as a whole, and him/her in particular, and specifically the role that Mutuals play in health care.

    ReplyDelete
  22. "Anonymous" @ 16.20 yesterday.

    Your consistent spelling of a name (with or without a capital letter) is such that it clearly cannot refer to me. As to letters published in papers, you need to understand that you cannot hold the letter writer responsible for any editing that may contribute to the published version.

    ReplyDelete
  23. CIA, like many people, the private sector should not have a role to play in health care. Even the USA would like to have a fairer system. Paying through the nose is hardly fair. It is ok for commercial stores, where competition does not matter, however, health care does matter and should not be subject to Capitalist exrtemism.

    Yes Monsieur Hickey, as you had replied you are well aware I was referring to you and for one who believes themselves to be a master in the English Language, I would suggest you look up the definition of suggest. The Thesaurus, or a good old fashioned dictionary should provide you with the information.

    ReplyDelete
  24. Wow, this contest of who can spell and who is good at grammer and who can sustain a logical argument is going to be well interesting!
    (Spot the deliberate errors above and you get a star!)
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  25. To whom it may concern... One is not pedantic. However, one who criticise and are not perfect themselves, should take a deep look at themselves. I wonder who Monsieur Hicky is a fan of?

    Why should the ancient ethos of inequalities be revived. Re introducing privatised health care, education etc etc will cause those inequalities, and have no place in the 21st Century!!

    ReplyDelete
  26. I gather anne is jesting with her invitation of spotting the errors, however, due to the lack of Personal Messages, I am unable to contact her. Sorry Anne.

    ReplyDelete
  27. Dear anonymous, if you wish to pay me a compliment, go public here. (I will glow!)
    If you want to have a go, go public here! (I will smoulder!)
    If you are shy and tell me your thoughts by the PM option (the way is cleared on my side, did a total spring cleaning, suggest you do the same!)
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  28. Bad spelling and grammar I can tolerate, but lack of cerebral functions like comprehension I cannot.

    Our "anonymous" clearly hails from a genetic strain who have an inability to recognise fundamental inconsistencies in their utterances.

    Since when did the State or the NHS eliminate "inequality"?

    IT IS THE NHS who are delivering an UNEQUAL "service".

    Postcode Health Care.

    That's why it needs to be broken up and FORCED to respond to the needs of the people who both use and fund it. That's the market. IT WORKS. The NHS DOESN'T.

    ReplyDelete
  29. "The private sector should not have a role in health care"?

    Right, who do you think makes the ambulances, the hospital beds, the drugs, the surgical equipment, the uniforms, the MRI scanners, the stethoscopes, the autoclaves, the syringes, the computers, etc, etc?

    Do you suppose there are underground NHS factories doing all that, manned by little goblins all bearing an uncanny resemblance to Nye Bevan and able to live on hot air alone?

    ReplyDelete
  30. Oh yes, the equipment which are highly priced where trusts and wards can hardly afford them, and indeed cause shortages.

    Now then Weggie, how many alias are you going to have?? Anyway, you are correct, the NHS does not provide care with equality, because of the Capitalist style Governments - including "nulab".

    "Sod you as long as I am alright" attitude still exists. So why are you behind "Save KGH"? Surprised you haven't started "privatise KGH"!!

    ReplyDelete
  31. Bryan @ 30 November, 2009 17:49 above.

    Please do not ascribe to me words that I did not write - that is Libel.

    I did not refer to a "filthy hospital in Newham." YOU did!

    ReplyDelete
  32. I see, Bryan, that you have accessed Weggis' comment above and have outclicked to his blogpost to check what he wrote. Any comment?

    ReplyDelete
  33. Quiet, innit!
    Perhaps he's nursing a hang-up?

    ReplyDelete
  34. All that time and effort and,... money, spent on a super efficient computer system for the NHS, which will not fulfill its promises and must be abandoned!
    I would say LBR's spending on their new redi version is like pin money in comparison.
    That money spent by the NHS, fruitlessly, who has it in their pockets?
    annesevant

    ReplyDelete
  35. the wanstaed and woodford guardian quotes mike gapes mp as saying that the public consultation to decide if redbridges only accident and emergency ward should close is 'about as free and fair as a rigged afghan election'.

    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/news/rbnews/4786133./

    and hes a guvmint mp!!?

    ReplyDelete
  36. First off,the consultation is by the health authority. Second, it proves that from the 80's the NHS has been earmarked for privatisation. Thirdly, A and E is not a ward, it is a department. If it were a ward, patients would stay there for treatment for days.

    I note Weggis has not re published his post re: Newham hospital.

    ReplyDelete
  37. And your point Benonymous, Is?

    Er? Weggis’ post on Newham Hospital is still there. There is a link to it in his comment above and on the side bar of this blog [until he creates a new post]. Eyesight problems, or disconnect between mouse and brain?

    ReplyDelete
  38. Nope, the original post IS NOT THERE!!

    ReplyDelete