Friday, February 01, 2008

Extraordinary Area 3 Meeting

Not that any of these meetings are “ordinary”. The Councillors sit in a line side by side facing the public, so they can’t see each other’s body language, but we can. Perhaps they don’t need to, tone of voice conveys a message too.

Anyway despite council policy on not having such meetings on a Friday, it is on a Friday, 8th February and is to “discuss” the two proposals for 20mph zones at Gilbert Colvin and Coppice primary schools that were rejected at the last meeting. Agenda.

If only they could make their mind up in one sitting.

19 comments:

  1. Indeed they are not!

    I see that one of the items is also to elect a chairman. What are the odds on/against him/her staying in post until May? The last few months have at least been marginally better than watching television, although even Area 3 has become somewhat subject to repeat performances.

    I suspect there is no way that Area 4 would have a Friday night meeting!

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  2. Was the previous Cllr really bullied? Did they give him a rough ride?
    One of the things I'm still shocked at is that Redbridge has a BNP Cllr. What are residents experiences of him? Does he work for Hainault?

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  3. Pointing out that someone has not fulfilled their duty and responsibilities is not by my reckoning “bullying” but he did have a tough time controlling the meeting.

    Why would you be “shocked”, Anon, if by that you mean surprised?

    I have no first hand knowledge of Cllr Leppert’s effectiveness as a Hainault councillor. Perhaps some of our Hainault readers could comment?

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  4. The most appropriate comment that one can reasonably make concerning the period of Chairmanship of Cllr Griffin is that his reign was of exceptionally short duration; nevertheless it was remarkably enjoyable and strikingly amusing in so many somewhat unexpected ways!! His greatest failing was, in my personal view, that he chose unwisely to make specific enemies not only amongst his councillor colleagues in Area 3 but also with some members of the public who have 'enjoyed' several years experience of sometimes abrasive and extreme confrontation; not clever I would humbly suggest, almost tantamount to committing political suicide!! Can I suggest to 'anonymous' of 1 February that he researches what developments have taken place in Hainault over the past few years whereby he/she may be able to identify why the BNP secured a seat in that Ward at the time of the most recent local elections. What may be even more interesting is what might take place at the local elections in 2010 if the electorate in Area 3 continue to feel that they are being rudely victimised by the current Conservative administration.

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  5. Anonymous, I am sure I am not jumping to the wrong conclusions if I assume you were not present at the last three Area 3 meetings. Yes, there was attempted bullying but the many bullied people stood their ground. The real bully then complained to the papers. However, they are far too many witnesses for him to get away with that.
    A public meeting is very public.
    anonymous annesevant

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  6. Could Morris Hickey explains what he means that "there is no way that Area 4 would have a Friday night meeting" Why is that?

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  7. Perhaps everybody is so exhausted after attending meeting after meeting they prefer to relax at home on Friday evenings or maybe go to the local pub or even pop along to the local chippie; what a luxury of choice.

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  8. As one of the "many bullied people" I shall be once again explaining to Area 3 on the 8th February 2008 7.15pm (Friday Night), local issues that will affect local people, hopefully this time I shall be able to finish what I intend to say, and trust that Area 3 take notice of residents valid concerns, and vote accordingly.

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  9. I have no intention of "corresponding" with somebody whose identity is not disclosed.

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  10. Absolutely right Morris. I've always wondered what it is about individuals who feel it necessary to hide behind a cloak of anonymity. Is it lack of conviction or fear of being recognised or are they fearful of a knock on the door in the middle of the night by men in sharp suits dark glasses? I will ponder awhile. David Sevant aka DGS.

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  11. In reply to Morris Hickeys requests my name is Marie Mumford, please could you explain your comment regarding Area 4, Many thanks.

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  12. Friday night has a particular, and understandable significance to some of the members. If they will not have public meetings on Friday nights, then public meetings should not take place in other areas either.

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  13. This anonymous thing is treacherous, I had jumped to the wrong conclusion. Just as well I kept quiet, most unusually, I know.
    I am racking my brain trying to recall who was bullied (spoilt for choice, really!). Was Marie Mumford the lady who was supporting the bid for lighting from the young man? I thought the episode was disgraceful. For whatever reason, you don't treat a young person the way he was treated.
    So many points to be raised when you become interested in local affairs and local politics!
    annesevant

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  14. Yes, Anne, Anons can be confusing as they may be many or several. But I can see their IP address and I can tell you they are not all the same.

    Read this recently but can't remember where. "In politics friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."

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  15. Morris Hickey said; "Friday night has a particular, and understandable significance to some of the members."

    At the risk of stating the obvious, it is possible that this extraordinary meeting may be being held on a Friday night to deliberately exclude certain person(s) from participating.

    Whatever the reason may be for that, if it is perceived by the excluded party or parties as racist, then they would have possible grounds for redress under the Race Relations Act, and may wish to take legal advice.

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  16. My understanding is that the meeting was scheduled for Friday because of time constraints and AC3 members availability, viz not already being booked for another scheduled council meeting. As far as I am aware, none of the 9 AC3 members fall into the category described by Morris.

    This all goes to show the importance of all members being prepared and adequately briefing themselves for the subject matter they are due to deal with.

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  17. Just for the sake of a logical argument: Friday might be alright for the councillors but what about the constituents? Or are constituents only marginally important in that extraordinary meeting?
    annesevant

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  18. A fair point Anne, but the practical considerations would be overwhelming.

    A few years ago Area committees did experiment with afternoon meetings, but it did not appear to increase public attendance.

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  19. "Extraordinary" hardly seems a strong enough adjective for some of what I am told took place. Perhaps "bizarre" would be a more accurate description.

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